I follow the producer of this video because he is an author who lives close to my hometown.
I’ve discussed in the comments section my thoughts on the video. But I’ve copied the comments below, in case the producer of the video chooses to delete my comments.
Me: Is your video meant to be taken seriously, or is it camp? Anybody who would interpret contemporary events based on what’s in the Bible or any other scripture is dangerous. The primary reason ISIS arose is the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, for which the people of Iraq and elsewhere continue to suffer.
This kind of analysis belongs on History Channel’s Ancient Aliens. “Ancient alien scholars theorize” = “Biblical eschatologists theorize …”
TC McCarthy: I’m having trouble taking you seriously since you’re so off target. A: ISIS is a horrific terrorist group. B: I simply pointed out that some Christians believe this is linked to the apocalypse, along with a gloss-treatment of the evidence they present. You may disagree with this. Fine. But it is not “analysis,” it is observation vis-a-vis current events along with some reporting on the views and interpretations of some Christians. The only analysis I made was that ISIS is a horrific terrorist group and I challenge you to prove otherwise. Why they arose has nothing to do with this; it’s a straw man.
Furthermore, the fact that ISIS basis its existence on scripture – Islamic scripture from the Quran – means that one CANNOT DISCUSS THIS TOPIC WITHOUT DISCUSSING IT IN A SCRIPTURAL CONTEXT. Please use your brain. This is NOT a secular conflict – it’s sectarian, it’s steeped in Islamic scripture, and therefore warrants discussion of scriptural elements.
Me: Obviously, you intended the video to be taken seriously, so I apologize for suggesting otherwise. ISIS is a horrific terrorist group, although it’s the natural result of the last 20 years of the history of Iraq and its neighbors and the US & its allies, particularly the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Cooperation Council, have played a significant, negative role.
Perhaps you could enlighten me on why modern eschatalogically-oriented USA Christians should be taken seriously, particularly since that demographic has been, in my lifetime, the most supportive of USA military interventions in the Americas and Southwest Asia and elsewhere, and, war, to my limited knowledge, is not a Christian value.
Finally, ISIS is hardly a candidate to create a state. Its control over territory is simply the ability to extort money and murder enemies and confiscate property while the Iraqi and Syrian governments are too weak to exercise sovereignty. It’s a glorified criminal gang, hardly deserving of scriptural discussion.
Regarding your comment that ISIS has anything to do with Muslims’ scripture, you may want to read Edward Said’s Covering Islam.
TC McCarthy: One point at a time: you think that although ISIS is horrific, it is the product of US and allied meddling, and is therefore either justified (at worst), or regrettable-but-understandable (at best). It’s a bit disingenuous to think that this kind of sectarian hatred and bloodshed only results from US meddling. Lets go further back to the 1920s and the slaughter of 1.5 Armenian Christians. The result of US meddling again? No. What about the drive to establish the hegemony of Islam as a motive for ISIS’ formation and other groups like it? This is NOT a view of only radical muslims, as Shayke Muhammad Saalih al-Munajjid explains in his fatwa: “Yes, Islam is the religion of peace but in the sense of saving all of mankind from worshipping anything other than Allaah and submitting all of mankind to the rule of Allaah.” So peace only comes once the world submits to Islam. Could this kind of religious interpretation be a motivating factor for ISIS? Maybe even more than “US meddling?” Yes. And…yes.
Let’s keep going, because quite frankly the list of reasons for formation of ISIS and “ISIS-like” slaughter groups is almost endless, and these reasons often have NOTHING to do with the US! Here are just a few: hatred of Shiites (violence between these two sects has been going on for over a milenium) and hatred of non-muslims (jizyah, subjugation, treatment of Christians for example in Pakistan, Egypt, etc.) – keep in mind there are NO churches in Saudi Arabia. Then there’s ISIS-like violence in Africa and India that clearly has no direct connection to U.S. policy. Boko Haram (“Western Education is Forbidden”) terrorists slaughter Muslims and Christians in Nigeria and burn churches to the ground. Islamists in India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh persecute and kill Hindus (they have for centuries, btw). The Janjaweed Islamic militia engages in genocidal slaughter of Christians in Sudan. The persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt continues. And let’s not touch on the oppression and violence against Muslim women under Shariah law. Edward Said, quite frankly, is a laughable source, and I’m not talking only about the fact that his book was written in 1981.
No, I won’t enlighten you as to why a modern Christian viewpoint should be considered, because I don’t think you’d listen to reason. But I will suggest you create your own video condemning ISIS so that you can show all of us that you do, in fact, condemn their actions instead of being an ISIS apologist. Also, I suggest you update your reading material with the following work:
 Pew Research Center, “Muslim Americans: No Signs of Growth in Alienation or Support for Extremism.”
 Pew Research Center, “Continuing Divide in Views of Islam and Violence,”; Daniel Greenfield, “Behind the Culture of Terrorism Denial,” Canada Free Press (January 3, 2010). See also Raymond Ibrahim, “Are Judaism and Christianity as Violent as Islam?,” Middle East Quarterly (Summer 2009).
 Julia Duin, “Islamic dissidents warn humanists to beware radicals,” Washington Times (2003-04-13).
 Mark Silverberg, “America’s Middle East Delusions,” Family Security Matters (July 31, 2012).
 Despite positive views of democracy, polls show support for Shariah is still strong. See survey by Pew Research Center, “Most Muslims Want Democracy, Personal Freedoms, and Islam in Political Life”; John Bradley, “As hated leaders are replaced by even more brutally oppressive regimes across the Middle East, the Arab Spring has become a sick joke,” Mail Online (28 June 2012); Raheel Raza, “Arab Spring vs. Women’s Rights” Gatestone Institute (June 21, 2012).
 http://graphics.eiu.com/PDF/Democracy_Index_2010_web.pdf. Even Indonesia, often extolled as a model Islamic democracy, has restrictions on religious freedom. See “Indonesia Regent Orders Closure Of Churches,” BosNewsLife Asia Service (July 1, 2012).
 See The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, “Rising Restrictions on Religion,” Executive Summary and Laws Against Blasphemy, Apostasy and Defamation of Religion.
 Soeren Kern, “France Seeks to Reclaim ‘No-Go’ Zones,” Gatestone Institute (Aug 24, 2012).
 Tiffany Gabbay, “More Than a Movie: Experts Claim Real Reason for U.S. Embassy Attacks Is Much More Sinister”The Blaze (Sep 13, 2012).
 Adam Turner, “RIP: Free Speech about Islam,” American Thinker (July 8, 2012). Robert Spencer, “Suicide of the Western Media,” Assyrian International News Agency (July 16, 2012); David J. Rusin, “The BBC Broadcasts Its Own Dhimmitude,” PJ Media (May 8, 2012); Joe Piazza, “Islam Becomes Taboo Topic on TV in Wake of ‘South Park’ Threats and Times Square Scare,” Fox News (May 7, 2010); also see numerous references at Quoting Islam.
 Patricia Cohen, “Yale Press Bans Images of Muhammad in New Book” New York Times (Aug 12, 2009); Liz Thomas, “Screening of controversial Channel 4 documentary on history of Islam cancelled after presenter is threatened,” Mail Online (Sep 11, 2012);
 Ian Mohr, “NatGeo TV on terror alert,” New York Post (Oct 17, 2012). The Taliban has also threatened major media outlets for their sympathetic coverage of Malala Yousafzai, the 14 year old Packistani school girl who was shot by the Taliban for her outspoken defense of girl’s education: Emily Senger, “Taliban upset at coverage of Malala Yousafzai murder attempt,” Macleans.ca (Oct 17, 2012).
 Adam Turner, “February was Hate Speech Month in Europe,” The Legal Project (Mar 14, 2011); “Trial of Geert Wilders,” Wikipedia.
 “Defamation of Religions,” The Legal Project; Patrick Goodenough, “Islamic Bloc Revives Drive to Outlaw ‘Religious Defamation’ Worldwide,” CNS News (Sep 20, 2012); Diaa Hadid, “Islamic group calls for ban on offending prophet,” Associated Press (Sep 30, 2012); “Algeria at UN: Limit free speech’ protect Islam,” The Himalayan (Sep 30, 2012); Patrick Goodenough, “Obama Administration Welcoming Islamic Group to Washington for Discussion on ‘Tolerance’,” CNSnews.com (Dec 9, 2011).
 Mohamed Akram, “An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Brotherhood in North America,” The Investigative Project on Terrorism (May 19. 1991).
 See “Mainstream American Muslim Jurists’ Blueprint for Undermining America’s Legal System,” Andrew Bostom (March 14th, 2012); Tiffany Gabbay, “More Than a Movie: Experts Claim Real Reason for U.S. Embassy Attacks Is Much More Sinister,” The Blaze (Sep 13, 2012); Lisa Gardener, “American Muslim leader urges faithful to spread Islam’s message,” San Ramon Valley Herald (July 4, 1998); Art Moore, “Did CAIR founder say Islam to rule America?,” WND (12/11/2006).
 Steve Doughty, “Britain has 85 sharia courts: The astonishing spread of the Islamic justice behind closed doors,” Mail Online (29 June 2009 ).
 American Public Policy Alliance.
 “The Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam,” Aug. 5, 1990, U.N. GAOR, World Conf. on Hum. Rts., 4th Sess., Agenda Item 5, U.N. Doc. A/CONF.157/PC/62/Add.18 (1993) [English translation].
 Raheel Raza, “Arab Spring vs. Women’s Rights,” Gatestone Institute (June 21, 2012 ).
 fatwa by Saudi Shaykh Muhammad Saalih al-Munajid, “Can a Muslim be a sincere friend to a kaafir?,” Islam QA (fatwa 21530).
 Reliance of the Traveler, H8.24. Fortunately, there are a number of international Muslim charities which provide services to all people, despite these restrictions.
 Reliance of the Traveler, O8.7, O11.10. Under Islamic law, although Christianity and Judaism are sometimes tolerated, Christians and Jews are never permitted openly to express their faith, especially to Muslims.
 See Joe Newby, “Christians stoned by American Muslims in Dearborn as police watch,” Examiner.com (June 26, 2012). Of course most people would not approve of the offensive tactics used by these Christian protesters, but they are within their constitutional rights; Joe Slezak, “Man accused of driving at Christian protesters accepts plea, gets probation,” Advisor & Source (Oct 9, 2012); Ali Watkins, “Islam conference, hosting controversial speakers, sparks protest,” The Temple News Online (April 24, 2012).
 Niraj Warikoo, “Dearborn imam: Violence not what Islam preaches,” Detroit Free Press (Sep 15, 2012); Tiffany Gabbay, “Free Speech That Mocks Islam Is National Security Threat for U.S., Prominent NJ Imam,” The Blaze (Sep 20, 2012).
 Cindy Swirko, “Pastor burns holy books in protest of imprisoned clergyman,” The Gainsville Sun (April 28, 2012).
 See numerous articles at the Thomas Moore Law Center; Alan Kornman, “Have You Ever Been Inside a CAIR Civil Liberties Lecture?, Family Security Matters (June 20 2012).
 See “Saudi Publications on Hate Ideology Invade American Mosques,” Freedom House (2005); “Saudi Arabia’s Curriculum of Intolerance,” Freedom House; “U.S. Islamic Schools Teaching Homegrown Hate,” Fox News (February 27, 2002); also see North American Islamic Trust and explanatory article in Wikipedia.
 U.S. State Department, “International Religious Freedom Report.”
 Simon McCormack, “Sheikh Abdul Aziz Bin Abdullah, Saudi Islamic Leader, Says Churches Should Be Destroyed,”
Huffington Post (April, 2, 2012).
 Pew Research Center, “Arab Spring Fails to Improve U.S. Image”; also see the less comprehensive 2012 survey, “Most Muslims Want Democracy, Personal Freedoms, and Islam in Political Life.”
 Mordechai Kedar and David Yerushalmi, “Shari’a and Violence in American Mosques” Middle East Quarterly (Summer 2011, pp. 59-72).
 Pew Research Center, “Muslim Americans: No Signs of Growth in Alienation or Support for Extremism.” Doug Sanders, author of The Myth of the Muslim Tide, cites comparable numbers among Westerners in support of civilian killings. However, these numbers do not translate into real world violence as they do among radical Muslims who have demonstrated both the will and religious incentive to kill. See Doug Sanders, “10 Myths About Muslims in the West,” Huffington Post (Sep 10, 2012).
 Pew Research Center, “Muslim Americans” Section 1: A Demographic Portrait of Muslim Americans.
 “Officials Say Terrorist Recruitment Effort in US On Rise,” Voice of America (August 4, 2010); Steven Edwards, “Envoy’s call to Iranians in Canada raises fear of terror recruitment,” Fox News (July 9, 2012).
 The U.S. State Department’s “Country Reports on Terrorism 2011” counted more than 10,000 attacks in 2011 alone, resulting in more than 12,500 deaths. Over half of these attacks were perpetrated by “Sunni extremists” according to National Counterterrorism Center statistics. The Religion of Peace, reports only 20,000. The actual number is much higher since not all attacks are documented by local authorities or reported by the media. See also “Al Qaeda gaining ‘operational capability’ despite core losses, report shows,” Fox News (Aug 1, 2012).
 See Louis Palme “Knowing Four Arabic Words May Save Our Civilization from Islamic Takeover,” Islam Watch (July 31, 2012).
 See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqhzT3FhizA&feature=g-all-u. For a similar example involving a Tunisian leader, see Mounir Ben Mahmoud, “Tunisia’s Ghannouchi Condemns Salafists Only to Foreign Press,” Al Monitor (Sep 28, 2012).
 Soeren Kern, “Germany: Radical Salafism is Like a Hard Drug,” Gatestone Institute (June 19, 2012).
 Tom Topousis, “Imam terror error: Ground Zero mosque leader hedges on Hamas,” New York Post (June 19, 2010).
 “Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America Cautions Muslims Against Participating in American Legal System; Urges Them to “Hate It in Their Hearts,” Translating Jihad (March 14, 2012).
 “DOJ: CAIR’s Unindicted Co-Conspirator Status Legit,” The Investigative Project on Terrorism (March 12, 2010); Joe Kaufman, “CAIR Features Imam with Ties to Hamas,” Gatestone Institute (Oct 26, 2012).
 “Lawmakers Blast Administration For Calling Fort Hood Massacre ‘Workplace Violence’,” Fox News (Dec 7, 2011); Patrik Jonsson, “Will Fort Hood shooting trial find motive – or link to terrorism?,” (Christian Science Monitor, Oct 19, 2010). For other examples, see Cliff Kincaid, “Obama Neuters War on Islamic Terrorists,” Accuracy in Media (May 23. 2012).
 Rob Crilly, “The Blasphemous Teddy Bear,” Time World (Nov 26, 2007).
 “Jihad,” A Dictionary of Islam, Thomas Patrick Hughes (1885). See also the classic manual on Islamic sacred law, Reliance of the Traveler, O.9.8 – O.9.9; James Arlandson, “Sixteen Reasons Why Islam Is Not the Religion of Peace,” American Thinker (Sep 16, 2012); Raymond Ibrahim, “Are Judaism and Christianity as Violent as Islam?,” Middle East Quarterly (Summer 2009). On the historical development of jihad doctrine, see Robert Spencer’s lengthy essay, “Bible and Qur’an: equally violent?,” Jihad Watch (March 14, 2009).
 “Jihad,” A Dictionary of Islam, quoted from the Hanafi school, Hedaya, 2:140,141.
 Shaykh Muhammad Saalih al-Munajid, “Was Islam spread by the sword?,” Islam QA (fatwa 43087); “Full text: bin Laden’s ‘letter to America,” The Guardian (November 24, 2002). Note how the call to Islam (Q2.1) is one of the seven conditions of peace. “If you fail to respond to all these conditions, then prepare for fight with the Islamic Nation.”
 Shaykh Muhammad Saalih al-Munajid, “Was Islam spread by the sword?,” Islam QA (fatwa 43087).
 “Senate body urges West, EU to shun Islamophobia,” Daily Times (March 6, 2009); “Nigeria: Terrorism Caused by Injustice, Oppression – Islamic Scholars,” All Africa (February 28, 2010); “International Terrorism,” Global Focus; Ron Paul, “Foreign Occupation Leads to More Terror.”
 See fn. 51 above. Many Islamists believe that any place historically occupied by Islam is waqf: forever under Allah and the rule of Islam, including Saudi Arabia, Israel, and southern Spain. On the causes of American hatred, see Barry Rubin, “They got it right: America is their enemy,” The Jerusalem Post (Oct 21, 2012).
 Bernard Lewis, “Muslim Anti-Semitism,” Middle East Quarterly (June 1998). On the reputed materialism, barbarism, and sexual degeneracy of the West, see Sayyid Qutb’s impassioned article, “The America I Have Seen,” summarized in Peter Farmer, “The Muslim Brotherhood, Part IV – Sayyid Qutb,” Family Security Matters (Sep 13, 2012). Qutb was one of the Muslim Brotherhood’s most influential theorists.
 Karl Vick, “Reunified Islam: Unlikely but Not Entirely Radical,” The Washington Post (January 14, 2006); Soeren Kern, “Islamic Jihadists Using Switzerland as Base,” Gatestone Institute (July 9, 2012).
 National Counterterrorism Center: Annex of Statistical Information, U.S. State Department (July 31, 2012).
 See, for example, Raymond Ibrahim, “Muslim Persecution of Christians: May 2012,” Gatestone Institute (June 28, 2012).
 “Muhammadanism,” A Dictionary of Islam, Thomas Patrick Hughes (1885). Though Osborn’s summation of Islamic history may not have been flattering, he did admire “all the elements of greatness” found in Islam. But in the end, these heroic qualities, “faith, courage, endurance, self-sacrifice,” always succumb to the radical and destructive tendencies which permeate traditional Islam.
By Charles Davis Aug 12 2014 http://www.vice.com/read/america-helped-make-the-islamic-state-812
Was Iraq’s Top Terrorist Radicalized at a US-Run Prison?
A former US military compound commander at Camp Bucca suspects ISIS chief Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’s extremism was fostered (or bolstered) at the facility.
—By Jenna McLaughlin | Fri Jul. 11, 2014 6:00 AM EDT
Chris Hedges: The Ghoulish Face of Empire, Jun 22, 2014
Professor Juan Cole at juancole.com has published a lot of good articles on that topic.
To suggest that there is a cause or nexus of causes for a historical phenomenon is not to justify it, nor is it to become an “ISIS apologist,” which seems to be your standard response to anybody who criticizes your video.
I downloaded my Twitter archive to and searched for the term “ISIS.” Here’s the incriminating evidence of my sympathy for this organization:
https://twitter.com/DavidBrin/statuses/497812097137262592 (btw, I follow you because I heard about your book Germline on Adventures in SciFi Publishing, or something like that. I also think you live close to Augusta, GA, my hometown.)
https://twitter.com/OIC_OCI/statuses/491363156745138177 (note this is a link to a condemnation of ISIS by the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, for all the “why-don’t-Muslims-condemn-terrorism?” crowd)
https://twitter.com/aymanfadel/statuses/449263028995764224 (here’s real evidence of my sympathy towards ISIS – this was a response to https://twitter.com/IbnSiqilli/status/449261941987360768)
No doubt some of the people whose articles you cited below warn you that Muslims are trained to lie to deceive the disbelievers and move their never-ending plot to control the world forward. They even give you a (scary) Arabic word taqiyya rather than use the English word dissimulation. I searched my twitter archive for the Arabic acronym for ISIS and here are the results. Translate on your own.
Maybe I’ll make an ISIS condemnation video when you put your video up condemning the KKK, US police killing, USA war crimes, USA policy denying millions of undocumented workers rights, USA support of anti-Castro and anti-Sandinista terrorists.
But I’ll be happy if we simply assume that people are not cheerleaders of human rights violators simply because they discuss something in a public forum.
Which brings me back to the first question I asked you: if I don’t believe that the text of the King James Bible is a guide to modern events, is there any value to this video for me? Assuming a person does believe it, what policy actions does it advocate? Military intervention, as Presidents Bush and Obama have done? Mournful prayer and soul searching? Preparation for the Day of Judgment through sincere repentance?
Regarding Edward Said, what do you consider laughable about a Columbia University Professor whose writings have changed how the humanities have been studied? His books appear in academic presses, while Robert Spencer and Walid Shoebat have to rely on non-academic organizations like the Gatestone Institute to get their hate messages out there.
Some of the citations you provided are legitimate sources, and others are covered well at http://www.loonwatch.com/. I recommend Edward Said’s book “Covering Islam” because it helps a person distinguish between the two.
TC McCarthy: I flatly reject the (largely leftist) point that the US is somehow responsible for the radicalization of people like AB al-Baghdadi – especially since this kind of radicalization has so many historic links that have nothing to do with US policy and your sources (the ones I had time to skim) claim to address this but instead gloss over the evidence with hand waving. In fact, radical islamists THEMSELVES justify their actions by citing religious sources. They typically don’t shout “down with US policy” when they blow up US vehicles, they shout “allah is the greatest!” So there’s a deeper cause here that journalists like Said, and people like yourself, don’t want to address.
I listed example after example of historic events demonstrating radicalization of Muslims that is NOT linked to US policy; you did not refute these. Instead you threw a link salad out, like a dog vomiting. This is not what I would call “rigor.” In fact, you’re now wasting my time by taking this approach. Also, take a closer look at my citations – they are Pew polls, statements from respected Imams, etc. And yes, some are from those who you would denegrate.
But again, you resort to logical fallacies; you insult the messenger instead of refuting the data or the message (e.g., Walid Shoebat). This proves that you’re wasting my time. So the discussion is over. Again, make your own videos and demonstrate your point with data. I’ll be posting additional videos soon that demonstrate the similarities between ISIS and the Young Turks of the Armenian Genocide; an elaboration of evidence I already cited that this radical streak originates not with US policy, but with Islam and its extremists.
No more responses from you will be approved. I respect that you have a point of view, but it’s taking too much time to address your strawman arguments, ad hominem attacks, etc., and make sure people know that these are flaws in logic. Blog about me or something.